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to all sorts of naming and branding issues, including subjects
we used to discourage such as screen names and school election
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23-Apr-04:
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Microbrewery
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Bluebird 225
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HI! I'm owner of a microbrewery in New England.
Our products are 'Hooker', named after Thomas Hooker, founder of Hartford, CT. We brew Blonde Ale, Irish Red Ale, American Pale Ale, Octoberfest, India Pale Ale, Munich Style Golden Lager among others.
It's a catchy name, and we have fun referring to "a couple of Blonde Hookers", but we're looking for some more tag lines - Not crass, but suggestive and lighthearted and fun. Suitable for posters, t shirts, cups, buttons, etc.
Would appreciate any of your ideas. THANKS!!! Cheers, Bluebird 225
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23-Apr-04:
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Microbrewery
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Bluebird 225
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HI! I'm owner of a microbrewery in New England.
Our products are 'Hooker', named after Thomas Hooker, founder of Hartford, CT. We brew Blonde Ale, Irish Red Ale, American Pale Ale, Octoberfest, India Pale Ale, Munich Style Golden Lager among others.
It's a catchy name, and we have fun referring to "a couple of Blonde Hookers", but we're looking for some more tag lines - Not crass, but suggestive and lighthearted and fun. Suitable for posters, t shirts, cups, buttons, etc.
Would appreciate any of your ideas. THANKS!!! Cheers, Bluebird 225
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23-Apr-04:
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RE: Microbrewery
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if i do this will i be knighted with some ts that bear my cool tags? or no?
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24-Apr-04:
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RE: Microbrewery
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bluebird225
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anyone?? Any ideas?? Sure would appreciate some help from all you creative people!
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30-Apr-04:
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RE: Microbrewery
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if i do this will i be knighted with some ts that bear my cool tags? or no?
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01-May-04:
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RE: Microbrewery
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okay deal. whats the general email to your company: e.g., info@thooker.com, etc.?
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01-May-04:
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RE: Microbrewery
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bluebird225
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info@troutbrookbeer.com
TroutBrook Brewing makes Hooker beer.
But....ummm...I'm not actually sure what you asked & I agreed to....
:-)
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01-May-04:
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RE: Microbrewery
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bluebird225: I'm owner of a microbrewery in New England. ...we're looking for some more tag lines - Not crass, but suggestive and lighthearted and fun. Suitable for posters, t shirts, cups, buttons, etc....
me: if i do this will i be knighted with some ts that bear my cool tags? or no?
bluebird225: indeed you will!
me: okay deal.
bluebird225: But ... I'm not actually sure what you asked & I agreed to...
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look mic, i wouldnt want to put your enterprise into a financial tailspin with the price of wholesale ts[hirts] being what they are and all, so perhaps the subject deal is a beer cap or two out of your league. what say we call the whole thing off and you mow a few more lawns a month so you can hire an agency that can handle an "integrated marketing campaign" suited to your ambitious business direction. how does that malt your brew 'ol boy?
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01-May-04:
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RE: Microbrewery
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bluebird225
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you mean 'ol girl.....
No offense intended, just didn't understand your abbreviations...............
Yes, we have ambition......and award winning beer........but we do put the "micro" in microbrewery!!
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01-May-04:
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RE: Microbrewery
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bluebird225
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you mean 'ol girl.....
No offense intended, just didn't understand your abbreviations...............
Yes, we have ambition......and award winning beer........but we do put the "micro" in microbrewery!!
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02-May-04:
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RE: Microbrewery
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what rubbish...
mic you thought it in your interests to disregard my first query above but then after no responses to your thread you reconsidered it to be in your interests to answer its reiteration in the unqualified affirmative.
the rest is, let's say, micro-history: after some micro-thinking you just couldnt bear to covenant some tshirts - SOME TSHIRTS FOR LAUTERING SAKES MIC!
mic, i must call 'em as they be according to record: youre a penurious repudiator. atop that youre unwilling to own up to it once outted and in true churl like fashion seek to cast aspersions upon me in a lowly run for cover ex post facto.
indeed, you do put the micro in the brewery business that being the distinctive small in micro.
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02-May-04:
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RE: Microbrewery
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bluebird225
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What the fuck? I'm not Mike, am majority owner in small group of owners, & don't appreciate your stupid ass accusations when I was just looking for some help here! Take a look at our t shirts (now I know I should say TS) & you'll see why we need some clever tag lines & ideas. Thanks for nothing.
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02-May-04:
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RE: Microbrewery
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bluebird225: ...Take a look at our t shirts (now I know I should say TS) & you'll see why we need some clever tag lines & ideas....
does this mean you still want me to help? if so you should tone down the hyperbolic rhetoric a bit mic and apologize more sincerely. i made clear how i came to my opinion. objectively, all known facts considered, I feel it is sound. heres more on why:
because the principle of contracts endows each of us in the context here with the reasonable objective intent of our words and acts it is not reasonable for you to try to stand on the thin reed of there being an inherent ambiguity between "ts" and "tshirts" given the context of our colloquy.
further, my above use of the syntactical construction "ts[hirts]" is what is known in negotiations as an "integrity check." it was applied to invoke you to express the true nature of your position. this it did. you went for it hook. line, and sinker. for the only actual ambiguity you could have attempted to rest your statement in repudiation (i.e., "But ... I'm not actually sure what you asked & I agreed to...") upon is the word "some" as made in my query: "if i do this will i be knighted with some ts that bear my cool tags? or no?" (emphasis added).
This is because also according to contractual principle the words used by the parties are those defined by the applicable dictionaries (in this instance English) unless there is reason to apply some other technical definition which is not here applicable. thus, here, "some" is defined as: "1: being an unknown, undetermined, or unspecified unit or thing; 2a: being one, a part, or an unspecified number of something named or implied; [2]b: being of an unspecified amount or number[.]"
But even had you relied upon this as cause to find ambiguity the doctrine of implied convenants dealing with good faith and fair dealing under contract principle would have supplied our "deal" with the provision that the party to remit the ts (you and/or your co) would have been bound to remit a good faith and fair number of ts as consideration under the circumstances of our deal upon its execution. this assuming you had the intent to deal fairly and in good faith.
finally, in point, as an investor-owner of the subject business these contractual principles apply to you with greater force because you may be deemed, and rightly so, a sophisticated business person. so you see mic my position is sound. this is because its made in good faith and fairly rests upon the known facts present.
also of note: mic, if you think my position so "stupid ass" why do you make the above quoted statement reinviting me to take a look at [y]our t shirts [] & [] see why [you] need some clever tag lines & ideas? this is curious.
the kicker: lets say you wouldve outright expressly declined my queries (first or second as made). i wouldve helped you just the same. my inquiries were a mere request for memorabilia of any final design i played a significant role in. surely a foreseeable and reasonable request in the given circumstances. no?
in closing, the problem i have is how you are coming across in light of all the known facts. you dont seem like a straight ahead person and without good cause to do so i usually wont assist people that i feel dont deserve my assistance or have exemplified to me that i should withhold my assistance from them pending reasonable explanation.
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02-May-04:
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RE: Microbrewery
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bluebird225
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Look.
I don't even know if it's worth it at this point, but you wrote such a detailed reply, here goes.
I honestly did not understand your first question - "if i do this will i be knighted with some ts that bear my cool tags? or no?"
Knighted?
Cool tags?
ts?
I thought you were just spamming. Then I decided to humor you & see what happened. Then this shit-storm happened.
Not a sophisticated business person here.
I've been at home raising a family for 19 years & am trying to be more involved with this struggling investment we made a couple of years ago. That's why I emphasized the 'micro' aspect of the business.
I just stumbled onto this site looking for help & impulsively posted my question. If I appeared disingenuous, mea culpa.
I'd be delighted to send you a shirt if this ever goes anywhere.
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03-May-04:
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RE: Microbrewery
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all i can do is apologize at this point. it seems the most gracious thing to do whether or not called for. this because i am at a true total loss as to know when to take you at your direct written expressions or fathom their reasonable implications.
i am sorry there was a miscommunication between us. i am sorry i came to the opinion i did based on the facts i had. to highlight, i am sorry for the following reasons:
1. i presumed you were a business person because you said you were an owner of a business;
2. i presumed you were an active owner because you made a request which was intimate to the marketing operations of the business;
3. i presumed you were not a layperson or passive investor for these reasons;
4. i presumed you were a sophisticated business person knowledgeable not only about your specific business but general business principles, such as elementary contractual (i.e., transactional) principles;
5. i presumed that after seeing my query twice (over several days) and responding to it in the unqualified manner you did that you were doing so genuinely;
6. i presumed when you used the terms "tshirts" and "tag lines" in the context of your initial post on this thread, as owner of said business, you would be familiar with the abbreviated terms "ts" and "tags";
7. i presumed that if you had any questions or concerns about any matter you would so inquire or make comment before consummating any agreement as would any such business person;
8. i presumed that your original and subsequent posts were made without covert agenda or hidden meaning nor made in a patronizing way (i.e., "...to humor you & see what happened...");
9. i presumed that when you provided your contact information to receive the efforts you requested and expressed your doubt about what was agreed to but then did not seek at that point or any time thereafter to clarify matters doubted you were more interested in unilateral benefit than reciprocal obligation; and
10. i presumed that when you -- like any reasonable person -- ask for help you are well aware that such help is dependent upon the time, energies, good will, understanding, aptitude and capability of those you are seeking help from.
for these 10 reasons i am sorry. i made what i felt (and presently commit) were reasonable presumptions as bases upon which to transact with you whether that be generally or specifically. i dont know what else i could have perceived from your word and deed than what i did. even you in your last post admit that you were not being completely genuine. while you seem to express this stems from your own presumption (i.e., "I thought you were just spamming," etc.), lack of understanding (i.e., now amplified in triplicate from just "ts" to "Knighted," "Cool tags," "ts"), and lack of sophistication (i.e., "Not a sophisticated business person here") you nonetheless make clear that your expression was in part "impulsive," made in a way as "decided to humor [me]" just so you could "see what happened" and therefore couldve (impliedly) "appeared disingenuous."
so this "shit storm" as you disdainfully call it seems to have been caused by your own misdirected fanning. but as i lead off here with: all i can do is apologize at this point [as] it seems the most gracious thing to do whether or not called for [] because i am at a true total loss as to know when to take you at your direct written expressions or fathom their reasonable implications.
for us to work together it is axiomatic we successfully communicate. so i am sorry: "[i too] don't [] know if [completing this transaction is] worth it at this point..."
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03-May-04:
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RE: Microbrewery
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bluebird225
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Wow.
I'm actually amazed that you are still writing to me! Thank you for your apology. I, too, sincerely apologize for my part in this.
My background is in social services, not business, and as I said, I've been a stay-at-home mom for a long time. I may be unsophisticated about business, but I'm not short on common sense and hope I'll be a quick study.
Our brewery business is struggling to stay afloat under the assault of a hostile landlord (we're actually bringing him to court this am for turning off our gas -- now that's a good use of limited $$!), the abysmal distribution system in our state, and some bad decisions by an initial investor/owner who is no longer associated with us.
But, we have an amazing brewmaster, a committed and hardworking front-person (Mike), and people love our product. We've won awards for it, & the food channel did a documentary on us.
So the brewery needs help, & I have the time & energy now.
Actually, you joked about it, but tshirts are a bit out of our financial reach right now. So I had the idea of buttons that we could hand out at festivals, etc. in the meantime. Not as expensive as bottle openers, to give away & very visible & could be fun. We need something to give away & promote our product at the many events, fairs, festivals we pour at. Once we get off our shakey financial ground, if we had some ideas for t-shirts waiting we could move ahead with them. We have put together an investor packet, and think we'll be able to move ahead.
Anyways, this is where I was when I found your board and yes, impulsively, posted. Are you the administrator of this board?
If you have any ideas, I'd be most grateful. If not, at least now you know -- probably more than you ever wanted to! ~Nancy
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03-May-04:
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RE: Microbrewery
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bluebird225
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oops! screwed up my try at html tags!
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03-May-04:
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RE: Microbrewery
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bluebird225 thank you for your sentiments and diligence. i will give your more overarching business predicament some thought and get back to you on it via the "info@troutbrookbeer.com" address. will you accept my correspondence?
fyi: to properly code html tags use the following syntax:
[middle enclosure]
[rightmost enclosure]
here's an example of the syntax all put together to create an active link:
[leftmost]http://www.troutbrookbeer.com/[middle]troutbrookbeer co.[rightmost]
this will create this link:
troutbrookbeer co.
still a bit confused? then use your browser menu controls to view source of this page and look for keywords "troutbrookbeer co." using either manual scanning or your built in find utility and you'll see the full "troutbrookbeer co." link html tag syntax which you can copy and paste for reference until you memorize it.
looking forward to hearing from you on whether or not youll accept my correspondence to said contact address. sorry to hear about it but best of luck with the property lease litigation.
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03-May-04:
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RE: Microbrewery
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bluebird225 thank you for your sentiments and diligence. i will give your more overarching business predicament some thought and get back to you on it via the "info@troutbrookbeer.com" address. will you accept my correspondence?
fyi: to properly code html tags use the following syntax:
active url link = <a href=";Actual URL address goes between these leftmost and middle html link enclosure tags">;Selected link name then goes between that middle and this rightmost enclosure</a>
here's an example of the syntax all put together to create an active link:
[leftmost]http://www.troutbrookbeer.com/[middle]troutbrookbeer co.[rightmost]
this will create this link:
troutbrookbeer co.
still a bit confused? then use your browser menu controls to view source of this page and look for keywords "troutbrookbeer co." using either manual scanning or your built in find utility and you'll see the full "troutbrookbeer co." link html tag syntax which you can copy and paste for reference until you memorize it.
looking forward to hearing from you on whether or not youll accept my correspondence to said contact address. sorry to hear about it but best of luck with the property lease litigation.
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03-May-04:
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RE: Microbrewery
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oops! above errant message must above mistakenly posted during drafting haha!
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03-May-04:
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RE: Microbrewery
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bluebird225
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would be happy to correspond via 'info@troutbrookbeer.com' address. Please put Nancy in subject line. Thanks. html is confusing.......
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